Reception of italian DVB-T from Kefallonia/Grecia

[deepbluesky]

First of all scusi for non parlare italiano but i think this might be interesting for all DVB-T DXers:

Yesterday somebody wrote that he has been on holiday to Kefallonia (38N/20E) where he tried to catch some DVB-T with his notebook. Here are the results from the west side of the island:

482MHz: RaiUno,RaiDue,RaiTre,RaiUtile,FD LEGGERA
610MHz: RaiSportSat,RaiNotiezie24,Rai Edu1,Rai Doc-Futura,RADIOUNO,RADIODUE,RADIOTRE,CCTV9,SAT2000
650MHz: Canale 5,24ore.tv,Class News,Coming Soon,BBC World,Mediashopping,PPlus,PSV

The reception was not stable but you can see some screenshots in the initial thread of him: http://www.satleo.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=34706#34706

My question is from which town the reception was ? Crotone is the nearest 300km away, Taranto a little further away with roughly 360km.

Is there any frequency list where i can search ?

Mille grazie for your hospitality. Greetings from cool Stuttgart/Germania

P.S.: Unfortunately the photos can only be seen if you are logged in as a regular member.

 

[j0t]

Possibly

Channel 22 (482 MHz): RAI broadcasts its "A" MUX from various different locations: M. Lauro - Buccheri (Syracuse - Sicily), or maybe Contrada Terrisi - Parabita (Lecce - Apulia)

Channel 38 (Mux RAI DVB B - 610 MHz) and 43 (Mux Mediaset 650 MHz): Carminello - Valverde (Catania - Sicily)

 

[Digitsatmania]

Scusate ma che vi siete scritti? lo chiedo per saperne di piu sul dtt

 

[MEGADISH]

Si ricevono in Grecia alcuni canali italiani in DTT.
Deepbluesky chiedeva quale fosse la località dalla quale parte il segnale.

:new_infinity:

 

[deepbluesky]

First of all thanks your your replies

I doubt that the reception is from Siracusa. This would mean about 470km distance. What i forgot to mention is that he aimed his antenna towards the northwest so it must be somewhere from Puglia, maybe also a strong sidelobe from Calabria.

If anyone knows more i would really appreciate it.
Have a nice Sunday all

 

[j0t]

Well, for the transmitters I told you you can check on the site that most italians use as a reference for TV broadcasting: http://www.otgtv.it/index2.html

I checked almost every coast city from Apulia to Basilicata, Calabria and Sicily, and the only transmitters I could find that broadcast on the frequencies you told us are the ones in Catania and Syracuse. You can check it yourself on the above site. (please note that that site indicates the TV channels instead of the frequencies. for a reference table see here: the first column indicates the channel and the second one indicates the frequency range of the channel. Usually the frequency that DTT softwares indicate is the average in the range, so if e.g. channel 32 is 558-566 Mhz, the pc software will list the channel as 562HMz)

I hope I've been clear enough

 

[Rednex]

Peccato che sul Forum Greco non si capisce una mazza!!

 

[deepbluesky]

j0t you have been very clear indeed. Thanks a lot for the great link. I'm impressed for all the frequency tables there. Well the guy who made the reception says it might have been to the west, so Catania and Siracusa are possible.

Another friend of mine living in Lemesos/Cyprus 34°42'N/33°03'E told me that from time to time depending on the weather he gets up to 20 different stations with his Yagi. From Egypt, Palestine, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey. On the west coast in Pafos 34°46'N/32°24'E they receive regularly from Rodos/Greece and that is 415km. All of the above mentioned are analogue mostly in UHF. So the distance of 470km from Kefallonia to Siracusa is not that far away

Now i remember many years ago on the ferry boat from Corfu to Ancona/Venezia greek TV stations also were receivable for quite a long time. If i remember well up to 6-7h from leaving which means about close to Bari. As i checked the tables only from Otranto NET on ch.43+50 can be seen. Things seem to be much more difficult than years ago.
Is anybody here from Puglia/Calabria/Sicilia with a narrow beam high performant UHF or FM Yagi on a rotor who can say how the situation is these days ?

 

[j0t]

You are welcome, deepbluesky. I heard that in Cagliari (Sardinia) they receive REGULARLY 3rd band and 4th band *Algerian* and *Tunisian* channels. AFAIK, Algeria is about 250Km far from Sardinia, and Tunisia is a bit farther, yet, due to easy propagation of low band channels and to the power of Algerian transmitters people from Cagliari can enjoy Canal Algérie, Tunisie 7 and Canal 21.

Italy is the reign of chaos of TV broadcasting, because of wild and unregulated installations of new transmitters everywhere, too often too powerful to be lawful, and that's why the ITU in the last international meeting about national border frequency agreements f***ed our a**es

 

[deepbluesky]

j0t, same situation is in Greece. Not only that in big towns the whole UHF and FM band is overcrowded, even you cannot be sure that you get all the state TV and radio channels. Sometimes interference is so strong from neighbour frequencies or same frequency but other transmitter, so that you have no stable reception. We all hope that DVB-T will solve most of the problems for TV but it has started just some months ago and only in few places without the important channels so it will take time to speak of improvement.
Instead here in Stuttgart where i am, terrestrial TV reception is almost dead. Some active analogue frequencies ceased transmitting and were switched to digital as you can see here the 11 channels + 1MHP data channel: http://hiegl.net/tag/dvb-t/ but as most of the people get much more stations over cable analogue or digital or the luckier ones over satellite, there are only few that bought a DVB-T Receiver. Seems that the next step will be IPTV over VDSL at 25Mbit/s for the rich ones as you have it in Italy.

 

[j0t]

j0t, same situation is in Greece. Not only that in big towns the whole UHF and FM band is overcrowded, even you cannot be sure that you get all the state TV and radio channels. Sometimes interference is so strong from neighbour frequencies or same frequency but other transmitter, so that you have no stable reception. We all hope that DVB-T will solve most of the problems for TV but it has started just some months ago and only in few places without the important channels so it will take time to speak of improvement.

In Italy if there's too much interference, RAI (the national TV) raises the transmitting power. That's sooo simple

Instead here in Stuttgart where i am, terrestrial TV reception is almost dead. Some active analogue frequencies ceased transmitting and were switched to digital as you can see here the 11 channels + 1MHP data channel: http://hiegl.net/tag/dvb-t/ but as most of the people get much more stations over cable analogue or digital or the luckier ones over satellite, there are only few that bought a DVB-T Receiver. Seems that the next step will be IPTV over VDSL at 25Mbit/s for the rich ones as you have it in Italy.

Who told you that we have VDSL? Man, here in Italy we have fast IP over pigeons connection! Oh, I forgot to mention, there's also IP over smoke signals. But no VDSL

 

[deepbluesky]

Things are simple if there is a will. Greek ERT works like an old donkey. You cannot imagine that many people have take the only pay tv called Nova (55€ per month, there ain't no cheaper subpackage !!) just because they are not covered at all or very badly with signal from the state channels ET1/NET/ET3 and this happens even inside towns.

Concerning IPTV i should have expressed myself in a different way. Not that i heard VDSL is present anywhere in Italy but you do have fastweb.it in some cities and if i am not wrong also ADSL2+ over Alice, right ? I read somewhere that these carry the whole Sky Italia or am i wrong ? If so is the quality as over satellite or worse ?

But speaking of fast internet even Germany has huge problems. 15km outside of my town some people don't get a flatrate at all. A friend in the north, 9km outside of a big town struggles with time based ISDN. This is year 7 of ADSL in Germany and still many thousands of people don't get a flatrate. The irony: In most places they have fibre lines unused !!

Smoke signal internet is also how the situation can be described in most parts of Greece. About 3% of the population has got ADSL and here we speak of speeds starting from 256/128 up to very expensive 1024/256. Some days ago speeds started to be doubled by state owned OTE (this will take some months) and so the slowest ADSL will be 768/192 but even here we talk about 40-50€ per month. The speeds and the stability of the line are also never guaranteed. It depends on how many people log in and even how the weather is. But even that is a dream for people living in the countryside where still 56kbit/s or ISDN 64kbit/s both timebased are the quickest you can get.

Me instead, i am lucky to get even ADSL2+ with 16000/800 but ADSL 6144/640 is more than enough and relatively cheap for only 40€ per month but i am in the center of Stuttgart. On the other hand i cannot receive the most interesting satellite positions 13E/19.2E since the wall of the house is blocking anything east of 7E. Although it is forbidden in this house to install a dish, i have my motorized 65cm Gibertini (no space for a bigger one) from 58W-7E that i can take away anytime it is needed. Sometimes the solution is so simple: Just move to another house to another area where both is sat+broadband possible. The point is: Can you afford it ? Me not and that's why i am glad that at least the internet works here very well.

So far the offtopic.

 

[tolisGR]

Peccato che sul Forum Greco non si capisce una mazza!!

Niente paura! Ti faccio il traduttore se vedi qualcosa che ti interessa sul forum greco!

 

[Rednex]

Ti ringrazio!
ma purtroppo il Forum lo vedo ..ma non capisco cosa c'è scritto!
quindi se non so cosa c'è scritto hai poco da tradurmi..!!
comunque grazie lo stesso, sei molto gentile.