korchm48
Digital-Forum Senior
Basilicata
Of course, I meant 11758 H.
korchm48
Of course, I meant 11758 H.
korchm48
Frequenze Premiere
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deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
Ok.
Pumahost
Digital-Forum Junior Plus
Da Roma comfermo, con 85cm si vede tutto il bouquet, level 80/92 - Quality70/82.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/420/intromirasat1ty0.swf
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/420/intromirasat1ty0.swf
deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
Pumahost ha scritto:Da Roma comfermo, con 85cm si vede tutto il bouquet, level 80/92 - Quality70/82.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/420/intromirasat1ty0.swf
Impressive !!
I wonder if you get also a clear picture on all Astra 1E/F analogue horizontal frequencies.
tornadospada
Digital-Forum Senior
hi deepbluesky
This change seems to have carried an increment of approximately 3 or 4 dBW in southern Italy but in Portugal or Spain it could be better.
Any new from the Portugal or Spain?
This change seems to have carried an increment of approximately 3 or 4 dBW in southern Italy but in Portugal or Spain it could be better.
Any new from the Portugal or Spain?
Lanus
Digital-Forum Platinum Master
In Sicilia non li becco, quali sono esattamente le Freq.
che hanno aumentato potenza.
che hanno aumentato potenza.
deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
Unfortunately no news from Portugal and Spain tornadospada.
The only boards i know from the iberian peninsula where DXers are around are
http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/seccao-portuguesa/
and
http://nowsat.mforos.com/ of which i am observing this thread here: http://nowsat.mforos.com/26359/4319866-premiere-astra-1f/
The only boards i know from the iberian peninsula where DXers are around are
http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/seccao-portuguesa/
and
http://nowsat.mforos.com/ of which i am observing this thread here: http://nowsat.mforos.com/26359/4319866-premiere-astra-1f/
Pumahost
Digital-Forum Junior Plus
ecco qua'.
korchm48
Digital-Forum Senior
Basilicata
Il segnale di 11720 GhZ di Astra1 dev'essere aumentato di almeno 10 dB; infatti prima non si vedeva per niente con un'antenna di 3.35 m, ora ricevibile con una di 1.50 m.
korchm48
Il segnale di 11720 GhZ di Astra1 dev'essere aumentato di almeno 10 dB; infatti prima non si vedeva per niente con un'antenna di 3.35 m, ora ricevibile con una di 1.50 m.
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Per rendersi conto di quanto sia debole il beam 1F H+ FSS sulla parte più meridionale del nostro paese, occorre provare a sintonizzare Comedy Central Deu, in analogico sugli 11303 H, togliendo del tutto la soglia statica.
La magica visione degli spikes, per chi si ricorda ed ha conosciuto questo nome
, testimonierà in modo inequivocabile la realtà dei fatti.
Sugli 11758 H il beam è un po' più generoso ed i canali sono più facilmente sintonizzabili
La magica visione degli spikes, per chi si ricorda ed ha conosciuto questo nome
, testimonierà in modo inequivocabile la realtà dei fatti.Sugli 11758 H il beam è un po' più generoso ed i canali sono più facilmente sintonizzabili
korchm48
Digital-Forum Senior
11303J Astra1 analogico
Questo momente (ore 12.30) 11303H Astra analogico, si vede benissimo
senza estensione di soglia statitica.
korchm48
Questo momente (ore 12.30) 11303H Astra analogico, si vede benissimo
senza estensione di soglia statitica.
korchm48
deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
11303H is transmitted over the 1F H+FSS beam: http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/maps/astra1f_hpf.html
Theoretically 44dbW reach the Basilicata, so a 1m dish should do the job or is the beam much too optimistic ?
Theoretically 44dbW reach the Basilicata, so a 1m dish should do the job or is the beam much too optimistic ?
korchm48
Digital-Forum Senior
Basilicata
I agree with you, it should be watchable by a small disch.
korchm48
I agree with you, it should be watchable by a small disch.
korchm48
deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
So at least this beam is quite realistic. Thanks korchm48
deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
Hello again,
Seems that the mystery why Premiere got stronger in Southern Italy, Northern Greece and Northwestern Turkey is solved . As the user Robert Schlabbach by chance found out in a xls file of SES Astra listing all the frequencies and satellites the 4 are mentioned to have moved from 1F to 1E. Latter seems to be a little stronger in that areas than 1F is. I don't know if it's the opposite in southern Spain and Portugal but i remember a person from Madeira island having written some months ago in the same german board, that he received all 4 1F frequencies quite well on his 3m Prime Focus dish. But i have no information how the situation is now.
Here is the link of the conversation: http://forum.digitalfernsehen.de/forum/showthread.php?p=2342849
and the one where you can find the latest SES Astra xls sheet: http://www.ses-astra.com/backoffice/findAChannel_de/index.php
We have no official statement of SES Astra yet anyway but it seems to be the most suitable explanation.
It's now interesting to see if Astra 1E will be moved to 23.5E as decided, or if 1F will do the job there. In any case the backup capacity at 19.2E is not the best. Even 1G has some problems as i've read. Probably that's why the reception of some frequencies is quite hard in the eastern Balkans on dishes <1.50m.
And i'm closing with this: A 3.40m in Korinthos (37.93N/22.92E) as mentioned on page 3 of http://www.satleo.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6688 does get only the 12032H.
Seems that the mystery why Premiere got stronger in Southern Italy, Northern Greece and Northwestern Turkey is solved . As the user Robert Schlabbach by chance found out in a xls file of SES Astra listing all the frequencies and satellites the 4 are mentioned to have moved from 1F to 1E. Latter seems to be a little stronger in that areas than 1F is. I don't know if it's the opposite in southern Spain and Portugal but i remember a person from Madeira island having written some months ago in the same german board, that he received all 4 1F frequencies quite well on his 3m Prime Focus dish. But i have no information how the situation is now.
Here is the link of the conversation: http://forum.digitalfernsehen.de/forum/showthread.php?p=2342849
and the one where you can find the latest SES Astra xls sheet: http://www.ses-astra.com/backoffice/findAChannel_de/index.php
We have no official statement of SES Astra yet anyway but it seems to be the most suitable explanation.
It's now interesting to see if Astra 1E will be moved to 23.5E as decided, or if 1F will do the job there. In any case the backup capacity at 19.2E is not the best. Even 1G has some problems as i've read. Probably that's why the reception of some frequencies is quite hard in the eastern Balkans on dishes <1.50m.
And i'm closing with this: A 3.40m in Korinthos (37.93N/22.92E) as mentioned on page 3 of http://www.satleo.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6688 does get only the 12032H.
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korchm48
Digital-Forum Senior
Thank you Deepbluesky for the interesting review.
Some more comments.
I have got two prime focus dishes: a bigger one (Prodelin 11ft (3.35 m)) and a smaller one (a local made 1.50 m antenna); both equipped with the same invacom lnb.
The bigger one allows me to receive (about 7dB) 11720H all day and in the morning 12032H; but very low signals of 11758H and 11796H;
The smaller one allows me to receive (about 7dB) 11720H and 11796H all day, and 11758H in the morning, but very low signals of 12032H.
This might seem impossible, but it is true. The only explanation is the so-called "lnb saturation": too many satellites on 19E with too many transponders producing a terrible amount of signals overloading the lnb.
So, I could verify directly the existence of this phenomena.
With the bigger one, I receive Amos2 (Israel beam), Nilsat Middle Est beam (10758V, 7dB) and many off footprint satellites. No of them is receivable by the smaller dish.
korchm48
Some more comments.
I have got two prime focus dishes: a bigger one (Prodelin 11ft (3.35 m)) and a smaller one (a local made 1.50 m antenna); both equipped with the same invacom lnb.
The bigger one allows me to receive (about 7dB) 11720H all day and in the morning 12032H; but very low signals of 11758H and 11796H;
The smaller one allows me to receive (about 7dB) 11720H and 11796H all day, and 11758H in the morning, but very low signals of 12032H.
This might seem impossible, but it is true. The only explanation is the so-called "lnb saturation": too many satellites on 19E with too many transponders producing a terrible amount of signals overloading the lnb.
So, I could verify directly the existence of this phenomena.
With the bigger one, I receive Amos2 (Israel beam), Nilsat Middle Est beam (10758V, 7dB) and many off footprint satellites. No of them is receivable by the smaller dish.
korchm48
korchm48
Digital-Forum Senior
Hi Deepbluesky,
In your post I have mentioned a 3.40m dish in Korinthos (37.93N/22.92E).
Do you know weather the same dish is big enough to catch up Astra2d?
korchm48
In your post I have mentioned a 3.40m dish in Korinthos (37.93N/22.92E).
Do you know weather the same dish is big enough to catch up Astra2d?
korchm48
deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
Hello korchm48,
Your explanation sounds logical why some of the frequencies with your big dish cannot be viewed all the time whereas with the smaller they are. I hope that this pain quickly ends with the launch of the 1M. But then i fear the problem will continue to exist at 23.5E and of course the rest of spotbeams will force people to have a big dish if they are interested in feeling a little more like a citizen of the European "Union".
To your question:
I could try to ask the user at Korinthos. But i fear that the reception of 2D is possible only for few hours on few frequencies. The nearest installations i heard of much time ago, 4.50m Prodelin at Zakynthos, 3.70m at Lamia and Attiki (Athens surrounding) don't receive full 2D. 5m were told me from a shop owner in Athens are the minimum. Some older reports i read from Kriti (Creta) even the 6m monsters didn't have strong signal. In the Ionian Sea the V's are very hard to catch. Rumours say that a 3.70m in Corfu gets them but i cannot assure that. In Kastoria with 2.40m (2.20m effective) no V's where ever received and the H's are not 24/7 all present. Some V's could be catched with the Patriot 3.70m in Lamia but not all. Whereas in Rodos a 2.40m starts to receive the V's but the H's are harder to catch there. Further to the East in Cyprus even 4.20m cannot get a sign of the V's. The situation is very weird.
EDIT: I set the question in the thread where this user posted but i have to correct one thing. His dish is not a 3.40m, it is a Famaval 2.30m with expanding petals, so making it to a 3.10m. Those dishes made in Portugal are not bad as they are often used in Cyprus for 2D reception but i am not sure if a 3m solid of any other known manufacturer would perform any better.
Your explanation sounds logical why some of the frequencies with your big dish cannot be viewed all the time whereas with the smaller they are. I hope that this pain quickly ends with the launch of the 1M. But then i fear the problem will continue to exist at 23.5E and of course the rest of spotbeams will force people to have a big dish if they are interested in feeling a little more like a citizen of the European "Union".
To your question:
I could try to ask the user at Korinthos. But i fear that the reception of 2D is possible only for few hours on few frequencies. The nearest installations i heard of much time ago, 4.50m Prodelin at Zakynthos, 3.70m at Lamia and Attiki (Athens surrounding) don't receive full 2D. 5m were told me from a shop owner in Athens are the minimum. Some older reports i read from Kriti (Creta) even the 6m monsters didn't have strong signal. In the Ionian Sea the V's are very hard to catch. Rumours say that a 3.70m in Corfu gets them but i cannot assure that. In Kastoria with 2.40m (2.20m effective) no V's where ever received and the H's are not 24/7 all present. Some V's could be catched with the Patriot 3.70m in Lamia but not all. Whereas in Rodos a 2.40m starts to receive the V's but the H's are harder to catch there. Further to the East in Cyprus even 4.20m cannot get a sign of the V's. The situation is very weird.
EDIT: I set the question in the thread where this user posted but i have to correct one thing. His dish is not a 3.40m, it is a Famaval 2.30m with expanding petals, so making it to a 3.10m. Those dishes made in Portugal are not bad as they are often used in Cyprus for 2D reception but i am not sure if a 3m solid of any other known manufacturer would perform any better.
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deepbluesky
Digital-Forum Senior
Would anybody from Napoli be so kind to answer which size is recommended for the full reception of Premiere now ?
From the several reports i've seen i suppose 1.20m could suffice. Or would you go for 1.50m ?
Somebody asked me from Germany who tried last year with 85cm and he didn't succeed of course. Has anybody this size in Napoli area to test also what is possible now ?
From the several reports i've seen i suppose 1.20m could suffice. Or would you go for 1.50m ?
Somebody asked me from Germany who tried last year with 85cm and he didn't succeed of course. Has anybody this size in Napoli area to test also what is possible now ?
