Frequenze Premiere

[deepbluesky]

Hello,

Please take a look at the frequency plan of 1E which you can get here on the right side: http://www.ses-astra.com/corpSite/site_en/04_ASTRAFleet/03_satellite_list/astra1e/index.php

As you can see there is a Band E, which use the 4 Premiere frequencies either from 1F or now most probably from 1E.

 

[deepbluesky]

Just for your information:
I opened a thread also for Portugal here: http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/assuntos-gerais/104054-premiere-portugal.html

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata

Ho sostituito il feedhorn della mia Prodelin (3.35 m) con uno fatto da me che mi ha consentito di effettuare un puntamento molto preciso usando un puntatore laser. Il risultato e' che ora riesco a vedere 11720H (con 8.4dB) e 12032H (prima del puntamento ricevevo 12032H solo parzialmente). Continuo a non ricevere 11758H e 11796H con la Prodelin, tuttavia con un'antenna 1.50 m (piazzata a 10m di distanza) li prendo fino al primo pomeriggio ma non prendo 12032H.

korchm48

 

[da2000it]

Volevo sapere perchè sulle frequenze 11720H e 11798H di giorno riesco a prenderle bene mentre dopo le 22 non ho più segnale? Mi trovo in campania
Grazie

 

[BillyClay]

It just reports all the channels that can be used by Astra1E. But it doesn't say they are using all of them!! Currently ASTRA 1E should have 11 active transponders, and all of them for analogue transmission in the low band. I never saw any digital transmission on this satellite.
Then I can't understand why Premiere should switch from 1F to a similar power satellite that is going to be redeployed: they are supposed to switch to 1KR or 1L in the next future

 

[deepbluesky]

Ho sostituito il feedhorn della mia Prodelin (3.35 m) con uno fatto da me che mi ha consentito di effettuare un puntamento molto preciso usando un puntatore laser. Il risultato e' che ora riesco a vedere 11720H (con 8.4dB) e 12032H (prima del puntamento ricevevo 12032H solo parzialmente). Continuo a non ricevere 11758H e 11796H con la Prodelin, tuttavia con un'antenna 1.50 m (piazzata a 10m di distanza) li prendo fino al primo pomeriggio ma non prendo 12032H.

korchm48

Crazy, you need 2 dishes to view all the 4 frequencies. I never heard of a similar case.

 

[deepbluesky]

It just reports all the channels that can be used by Astra1E. But it doesn't say they are using all of them!! Currently ASTRA 1E should have 11 active transponders, and all of them for analogue transmission in the low band. I never saw any digital transmission on this satellite.
Then I can't understand why Premiere should switch from 1F to a similar power satellite that is going to be redeployed: they are supposed to switch to 1KR or 1L in the next future

There you're right. SES Astra does not inform DTH customers which transponders of which satellite in particular are working still well and can therefore be used. The frequency plan just shows the initial conditions of the satellite as forseen years ago.

There was digital transmission on 1E some months ago. UPC used at least one H transponder. Also 11508V was used at least 2 years ago. I am not quite sure since it's long ago but i believe also Wizja (H pol) and D+ (V pol) used at least one transponder.

Your last question is also mine. 1E and 1F are at least in theory similar powered. But i read also from people in the beam core having had weaker signal on 1E. Since SES Astra does not clear up we can only speculate for the most suitable answer. Let's hope that the new satellites will soon take over those frequencies.

 

[marzio.pastizzo]

Problema Con Premiere

Scusatemi ma e' un problema mio o e' un po di tutti noi che abitiamo al sud (campania) ,il segnale su premiere e' scomparso del tutto su tutti i transponder tranne sul 12070 ,sareste cosi gentili a confermare se e' cosi' ,oppure e'solo un mio problema? grazie

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata

Come detto in un mio precedente post, con un'antenna Prodelin 3.35 (+ lnb invacom) non ero in grado di ricevere i transponders 11758 H e 11796 H (invece 11720 H e, parzialmente, 12032H erano visibili); allo stesso tempo con un'antenna 1.50 m (+ lnb invacom) ero in grado di ricevere 11796H e 11720H, e parzialmente 11796H ma non 12032H.

Questo perche' il troppo segnale proveniente da 19.2E sovracaricava lnb della Prodelin. Ho fatto una prova: Ho sostituito lnb invacom con un lnb SMW a basso guadagno e migliore prestazione di cross-polarita', (anche se di figura di rumore 0.7db piu' alta rispetto al valore 0.3dB del lnb invacom). Il risultato e' che con la Prodelin prendo ora ottimamente ciascuna delle frequenze citate: 11720H con 10dB, 11758 con 7.7 dB, 11796 con 9dB e 12032H con 8dB. (Sono sufficiente 6.5 dB per la ricezione). Vi faro' sapere, dopo avere fatto dei conti, il valore approssimativo dell'EIRP, a Potenza, dei transponder citati.

korchm48

 

[Louisino]

Scusatemi ma e' un problema mio o e' un po di tutti noi che abitiamo al sud (campania) ,il segnale su premiere e' scomparso del tutto su tutti i transponder tranne sul 12070 ,sareste cosi gentili a confermare se e' cosi' ,oppure e'solo un mio problema? grazie

Deve essere un tuo problema, ricontrolla il puntamento

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata

A Potenza, con un'antenna (prodotta in una fabbrica locale 10 anni fa) dal diametro di 1.50 m con un lnb SMW (figura di rumore 0.8dB ma 1point compression 5dB) , ricevo 24/7 le frequenze 11720H, 11796H e 12032 H, fino al primo pomeriggio anche 11758.
Sostituendo lnb SMW con invacom (quattro uscite), ricevo 11720H (24/7), 111758H la mattina, 11796H fino al primo pomeriggio, 12032H fino a sera.

korchm48

 

[deepbluesky]

News from SES Astra:
11720H/11758H/11798H/12032H have definitely moved from Astra 1F to 1E. Christian Lyngemark has confirmed this.

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata

Avendo migliorato il puntamento della prodelin, ora ricevo le frequenze 11720H,11758H,11798H,12032H giorno notte.
korchm48

 

[BillyClay]

News from SES Astra:
11720H/11758H/11798H/12032H have definitely moved from Astra 1F to 1E. Christian Lyngemark has confirmed this.

So only 12441V is still on 1F....
Anyway I can't imagine who is leaving first 19E: 1F or 1E?
Or probably they will stay there until 1M arrival...then they will leave both...

 

[deepbluesky]

Avendo migliorato il puntamento della prodelin, ora ricevo le frequenze 11720H,11758H,11798H,12032H giorno notte.
korchm48

Excellent
Have you seen any improvements also on other satellites ?

 

[deepbluesky]

So only 12441V is still on 1F....
Anyway I can't imagine who is leaving first 19E: 1F or 1E?
Or probably they will stay there until 1M arrival...then they will leave both...

Who knows. We'll see.

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata

When combined with very large dish (3.00 or larger) the SMW lnb (lnb with DRO, WDL Digital type E, noise figure 0.8dB and 1point compression +5dB; see www.smw.se) can ensure reception of weak transponders from satellites like Astra1. In fact, Astra1 (including several satellites!) also has a lot of very strong transponders and, as a result, saturates the lnb with 1 point compression 0dB (for instance invacom) by the huge amount of signals Astra1 sends to the lnb, l(see, http://www.satellite-calculations.)
SMW (but invacom) works under this condition giving stabile reception of 11758H, 11798H and 12032H (11720H is watchable with invacom, as well).
Also, SMW (but invacom) gives stabile reception of 11800H Turksat.

When the above circumstance does not occur, for instance Amos2 (Israel beam) or 62E (vertical), invacom performes a little bit better which is sometimes very important.

Some years ago, I read about this phenomena in http://www.parabola.cz/.
Now, I can confirm.

The transponders of Astra 3 with FEC 9/10 are not watchable here in Potenza.

korchm48

 

[deepbluesky]

I see.

Some people in southern Greece continue to have your problem as well on smaller dishes of 1.10-1.80m. The very strong 1L frequencies not only interfere with some of their neighbour frequencies but also with further away ones. A mix is beeing produced inside the LNB so only a better LNB could solve the problem. The big question is, which LNB is good enough for Offset dishes ? I really don't know.

About 42E-11800H. Is this the weakest East Beam frequency in Potenza ? Having a look on the lyngsat frequency table i would have thought 11753H is since this is in 7/8 and SCPC.

Wow, No full Astra 3A in Potenza ? I would have thought the signal is strong enough. This spot beam is very similar to Astra 2D. A year ago i let test a user with a new installed motorised Patriot 3.70m in Lamia (38.90N/22.43E) and he told me that Astra 3A came in full. But i am not sure if he really tested all the frequencies one by one or only the strongest 11515H. The -S2 frequencies maybe are weaker but only few people can check this because of not using a -S2 receiver yet.

Greetings from rainy Stuttgart
12C/65%

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata

All transponders (but those with FEC 9/10) of Astra 3A have a strong signal in Potenza and are watchable with a 1.50m antenna. I do not know whether a better receiver could ensure reception with FEC 9/10.

11720H, 11758H and 11798H of Astra1 seem to be in the same satellite; however I have to move my Prodelin a little bit when I pass from 11720H to 12032H (otherwise I lose the signal).

korchm48

 

[korchm48]

Basilicata Turksat and 60E

I think the weakest transponders in Turksat1C (Asian beam) are 11554H and 11607H. Usuale, they are watchable in Potenza only for a couple of hours after 8 p.m.

Another difficult satellite here is 60E, I only have partial reception of 11492V and 11101V. Excellent reception of 10982V and good reception of 11515V.
No signal of the other transponders.

korchm48